December 3, 2007
GWC Podcast #74
In this post-Razor ‘cast we take the opportunity to catch up on listener calls, taking dozens (literally) of ’em. Highlights: we take a call from the USS Abraham Lincoln, discuss a couple of old-series episodes that seem eerily similar to current ones,consider the true meaning of the Olmostash, toss out some crazy theories, lament the battle between NBC and fans and suck generated by the ensuing lack of online downloads and DVDs, re-visit the question of Watchtower’s origin, hear Lawyer Bill’s defense case for Jammer, learn that Audra’s never been to Vegas, debate Cain’s morality and leadership qualities, tout buddy-to-GWCers-everywhere Larry, and — most of all — remember how incredibly awesome GWC listeners are.
Galactic Watercooler 
Modern Geek 
Save Eureka 
Eff This Week 
FitSmart
Hey guys, You mentioned intrest in my boardgame during the podcast.
You can see the “gotten fat or grown a mustache” card along with a boxy card I think you’ll like by following this link to my photobucket.
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r212/wackottl/Boardgame%20Galactica/promocards.jpg
I’m pretty proud of how well this game came out. You can pretty much do anything you see in the show including the unexpected “drama” we like so much. You can find more information about the entire game here
http://www.colonialfleet.org/quorum/index.php?showtopic=329&st=0
comments and criticisms are always welcome.
Howdy again from the Aircraft Carrier Kitty Hawk, the only way we get listen is getting you thru Itunes, but i’m reading and seeing for our selves that NBC is screwing us on ITUNES. I got all my Season 3 BSG on Itunes, and now, no more Itunes NBC shows. anyone talking about a writing campain to NBC, because thanks to Itunes us in the military get to see alot of TV shows. why would NBC want to stop us from seeing our favorite shows.
by the way, watch Ravor off the DVD, LOVED IT>.. loved hearing what you all thought about it too. so much great new content.
What’s wrong with the podcast. It’s buffering but not playing.
Chuck,
If you guys suscribe to Netflix (And I think you said you did) if you go to the “Watch Instantly” Streaming section of the site you can see the second season of Heroes for NO ADDITIONAL PRICE! It is included as part of your Netflix suscription.
You can also buy the both seasons of Heroes on Amazon Unbox and watch it on your PC or Tivo, same with all 3 seasons of BSG.
I just watched the Razor DVD along with Ron Moore’s commentary. The commentary clarifies that Baby’dama IS actually in the buried Cylon ship where he finds the tub’o’goo and the human prisoners. So going back and rescuing them is impossible because THEY ARE GONE. The timing and perspective is off alittle making it difficult to understand that, maybe it was just they way they ended up doing the final cut.
I highly recommend watching the DVD version of Razor, they have several new and/or extended scenes compared to the TV version, including showing Caine at the end of the first Cylon war and how she got that knife.
Grandpa_Hybrid says more on the DVD and its important:
“At last, they’ve come for me. I feel their lives, their destinies, spilling out before me.
The denial of the one true path. To play that out on a world not their own. But will they be soon enough?”
*is this about New Caprica?
“Soon there will be four glorious new awakenings, struggling with the knowledge of their true selves, the pain of revelation bringing new clarity. And in the midst of confusion they will find that enemies are brought together by an awesome sense of belonging.
*obviously Tigh, the Chief, Anders, Troy
“Enemies now joined as one. The way forward, the once unthinkable, yet inevitable.
*The four ally with the humans?????
“And the fifth is still is in shadow, drawn toward the light, hungering for redemption, that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering.
*did the final five committed some sort of sin-maybe created the other seven and had some sort of falling out?
“I can see them all – the seven, now six, self-described machines who believe themselves are of no sin, but in time it is sin that will consume them. They will know enmity, bitterness, the wrenching agony of the one splintering into many. And then they will join the promised land, gathered on the wings of an angel. Not an end, but a beginning.
*the first six will have a major falling out…a cylon civil war?
“Kara Thrace will lead the human race to its end. She is the herald of the apocalypse. The harbinger of death. They must not follow her.
*Who should not follow Kara…humans or cylons?
Mike, nice. Several of us have made our own transcriptions of those scenes (some parts are contentious.) Check them out on the forums here:
http://forum.galacticwatercooler.com/showthread.php?p=8855
There is a great Youtube mashup entitled “In Memoriam, Kendra Shaw”
see link here.
By the way Kendra Shaw fans will note that Stephanie Chaves-Jacobsen’s character in the Australian soap opera Home and Away, Charlotte Adams came to a tragic demise too.
So was Razor just “another dead end role” for Stephanie ??? 😉
“Razor” would seem to boost the case that William Adama is the last Cylon and his son (presumably born post-war) Apollo maybe a hybrid.
The Cylons may have caught and swapped out the original Baby’dama when he was down on the planet at the end of the first Cylon War. Successfully inserting their Baby’dama copy into the fleet would be the signal to end the first war and start the countdown to the final holocaust of the colonies, whilst tracking a selected fleet of humans back to Earth to destroy it too, thus ridding the galaxy of homo sapiens once and for all.
If Cylon HQ’s final objective may be to destroy Earth too, infiltrating Colonial Fleet high command may have been the only way to access whatever intelligence (if any) the Colonials had on the location of Earth. This may be a long term strategic goal worthy of calling a temporary 40 year (but actually fake) truce with colonial humanity to achieve.
“William Adama as Cylon” explains why the Galactica, of all ships in the fleet, seems so full of Cylons infiltrators (final five and otherwise)..Sharon, Chief, Tigh, etc. Waiting for the decommissioning of the older more ruggedised Battlestars may have been a smart tactical ploy too. If this is so the escape of the Pegasus may have been the only major flaw in the Cylon master plan so far.
Of course “baby’dama come Admiral Adama as cylon” would have been an agent of the first generation old hybrid led Cylons rather than just another of the new skinjob models, like 6, sharon etc. So maybe there is (as hinted) some kind of conflict, among the Cylons. Or is there? Maybe they have a more hierarchical and caste like social structure than we have so far seen. Maybe the higher castes keep the lower castes in the dark for reasons of control and security. Maybe the older /higher caste models do not let the newer models in on all aspects of their master plan. So the final five Cylons, including Adama, might not be ‘good guys’ at all.
It’s Brian formally of the Abraham Lincoln. Thanks for reading my message on the show last week and yes Sean, I know your name. Before I post about one of the messages I left you on the voice mailthis week I wanted to ask if it was ok to do so or if t falls to close to spoiler land. Let me know. And by the way I am mysitified about how cold it is here in Wichita Falls. I’m from NY and have been stationed in Seattle the past few years and though I left this weather behind me.