September 2, 2007

GWC Podcast #61

Pegasus is as close as we’ll get to Razor until late November, so this was a pretty significant re-watch. But (as usual) it brought a bit of punch(yness) as well. Highlights: we discussed the true issues around the Pegasus crew’s horrific “torture” techniques, marveled at Baltar’s shining moment of humanity, griped about/loved on Admiral Ro, went off on young relatives who don’t know who Lando Calrissian is (and how the Landster is *clearly* the character you want to be in the ‘Wars ‘verse), noted the “long way” that “Airlock” Roslin has come, comment on the sure-fire failure leading by fear brings, speculate on who’d have won (and why) had a Galactica/Pegasus battle actually happened, talk My Little Pony, and dredge out an embarrassing moment from Sean’s childhood.

52 Responses to "GWC Podcast #61"
  1. BoxytheBoxed says:

    “a bit od punch(yness)”???WTFits always a LOT of punchnyess and its always awesome and its always been a long week

  2. Starbuccaneer says:

    I am proud to say that I had both My Little Ponies & Hotwheels. The Ponies most often played with my She-Ra action figure while the Hotwheels spent quality time with my massive collection of Legos. No Pretty Ponies Stall, though. Sorry Audra– my Ponies were too busy saving various planets to brush their pretty, pretty manes. I did, however, have one of the ones that revealed cute new designs on their flanks when dunked in water. That was fun.

  3. Number 13 says:

    How does anyone not know who Lando is? “It works every time!”

  4. Audra says:

    Here’s the My Little Pony carrying case I had when I was a kid. 🙂

  5. Pike says:

    I had to laugh when Audra brings up My Little Ponies, and the guys immediately launch into Hot Wheels. It’s wired into you when you’re a kid, I think.

    (I was a Matchbox man, myself.)

  6. Stroogie says:

    “The naked guy that Anakin built!”???
    One more reason to hate the prequels.
    (Sorry Armando and Number 13.)

  7. The Alpaca Herder says:

    As I am still listening to the podcast, two notes:

    Dee’s Pegasus counterpart as of this episode: Lieutenant Hoshi
    Cain’s XO: Colonel Jack Fisk

  8. The Alpaca Herder says:

    As to how much bigger Pegasus is compared to Galactica there was a line of dialogue from Admiral Cain noting that it is 30% bigger than the Galactica with less crew…if memory serves correctly.

  9. Kappa says:

    Sorry Audra, I didn’t have a My Little Pony Barn. I had the My Little Pony Dream Castle, though. (Does that make me the equivalent of that guy with the Millenium Falcon that everybody hated when they were a kid? Hope not…).

    I’m looking forward to the upcoming commentary ‘cast. Which other episode are you all doing as a commentary ‘cast for Season 2?

  10. Armando says:

    Hey Stroogie, no worries. The whole Darth Vader built C-3PO thing always felt like shooting from the hip to me. I wonder, though, how it feels to someone seeing them for the first time. In a couple of years I’ll have to ask my daughter to watch them and let me know.

    Speaking of my daughter, SHE is a huge My Little Pony fan now. These things have had an incredible longevity. So take heart, Audra and Kappa. (Or something. I haven’t gotten to the podcast yet–been a busy day of lesson planning–so I don’t know the context of this conversation…yet.)

  11. BoxytheBoxed says:

    OK this IS a punchy’cast….or punchyer than normal

  12. BoxytheBoxed says:

    i know who lando is….
    Sean you could adopt to be your cousin, ill watch Starwars with you

  13. CodeAndrew says:

    Odd Question – what kid of Han and Leia turned to the dark side I just read the Han Solo page at wiki (which I know might not have all the info) but they say nothing of Anakin, Jaina or Jacen turning to the dark side. Just curious. Btw I just started reading Star Wars: Legacy comics (which so far are pretty good).

  14. CodeAndrew says:

    Never mind I found the info. Jacen turns to the dark side (found it on Luke Skywalker’s Wiki page).

  15. Audra says:

    Kappa said: “I had the My Little Pony Dream Castle, though. (Does that make me the equivalent of that guy with the Millenium Falcon that everybody hated when they were a kid? Hope not…).”

    Lol. I don’t think so. When I was fishing around online for a link so you all could see what I was talking about, I came across gobs of Pretty Pony (that’s what we always called them) accessories that I never even knew existed. I vaguely remember the Dream Castle and the Show Stable, but nothing beyond that. Good for you that you had one, though. 😉 I did get a unicorn pony several years later that was always my favorite.

    Armando said: “Speaking of my daughter, SHE is a huge My Little Pony fan now. These things have had an incredible longevity.”

    Cool! They’re pretty neat kids’ toys. Some of them are a little weird, like the ones that have little pony bridal gowns and eye makeup, but most of them are AWEsome. (Yeah, I said it.)

  16. The Alpaca Herder says:

    My Little Pony freaked me out way back when.

  17. Starbuccaneer says:

    Did anyone else have thoughts about the introduction of 2 new ancient world-derived names? My train of thought: Aurora, Athena, Apollo, and Jupiter all seem to have the same roles among the Lords of Kobol that they have within the greco-roman pantheon; assuming that Pegasus does as well, this makes perfect sense as the patronymic for a Battlestar. Pegasus is divinely descended (father Poseidon) but monstrous (mother Medusa) and a formidable warrior (did all those cool things with Perseus).

    But the Scylla puzzles me because it’s not an appropriate name for a civilian transport ship. Scylla is one of 2 mythical monsters which attempt to entrap Odysseus and his rag-tag crew 🙂 in The Odyssey. I read Battlestarwiki’s note on the issue ( but I don’t buy it. Any alternative interpretations?

    Oh, and if you want a summary of the Scylla and Charybdis passage of The Odyssey, here’s Wikipedia’s entry (

  18. BoxytheBoxed says:

    yeah i liked to shoot my little sister’s my little ponies with my GI joes
    GI Joe, now THERES a toy

  19. Number 13 says:

    (In my Darth Vader voice) “Apology accepted, Captain Stroogie.”

    And as far as Hotwheels vs. Ponies go, I played both sides. I had Hotwheels but I also had a crap load of stuffed animals when I was little. I had one that was a pregnant dog and you could open her belly up and take her puppies out. lol

    And more Lando/Billy Dee fun:

  20. HScobie says:

    Chuck, this is probably not the series you were thinking of, but Michelle Forbes played Dr Julianna Cox on Homicide for 2 seasons or so. (A cold exterior and boiling interior)

  21. Armando says:

    Speaking of childhood toys (you guys are gonna HATE me for this): I had both the Millennium Falcon AND the Death Star when I was a little kid. The Death Star was actually a three or four level playset that, to my four year old self, seemed huuuuuge (doesn’t seem as big now). Those were sweet toys!

  22. Kappa says:

    Starbuccaneer: Nope, Scylla stumped me, too; it seems like for it to make sense at all, there would have to be a “Charbydis” (maybe not literally a ship named Charbydis, but a companion ship of some sort). Plus, in the myth, it’s Scylla that “strips” Odysseus of some of his men, whereas it’s the other way around here. Maybe Razor will reveal some new information that will make it make sense.

    As for Pegasus, it’s probably been mentioned, but it’s also a bit ironic that the mythical Pegasus threw his master, Bellerophon, to his doom (okay, threw him to a life of wandering around blind, but “doom” isn’t too far off, and it sounds better:) ) for trying to transgress the will of Zeus; BSG’s Pegasus also has a nasty tendency of throwing its masters: Cain, Fiske, that guy in “The Captain’s Hand”…maybe Lee blew up Pegasus in self-defense, after all…

  23. Number 13 says:

    Armando- I also had a Falcon, but this was the one from the mid 90’s and I’m assuming you mean the one from the late 70’s and early 80’s. Before that I only had an A Wing and Vader’s TIE fighter, which were pretty boring. Luckily I’ve kept all my collections, including the Beanie Babies. It’s funny because everyone kept them expecting them to be valuable in the future and now people practically give them away on eBay.

  24. Dave says:

    CodeAndrew – the hapeenings of Jacen Solo, etc aer also in the the Legacy of the Force novels that are out now. Pretty good stuff (better than what Luccas wrote for the prequel yeeeeesh).

    Job I had some time ago, we had a guy see this one cute girl and said “Hellooo, what have we here…” since then, he was known as Lando. heheheh

  25. Dave says:

    BTW: The Star Wars prequels were so bad (how bad were they?) they were so bad that…

  26. Number 13 says:

    I saw that about a week ago. Must be an Obi-Wan thing, since Alec Guinness wasn’t a huge fan either. I would imagine that Star Wars isn’t the most challenging work for an actor and the blue screen probably gets old pretty fast.

  27. Dave says:

    and the direction of “faster, more intense” probably doesn’t help either…

  28. Sherri says:

    I’m about 2/3 of the way through the podcast and wanted to mention two things.

    1) The commander of the Pegasus in the original series was Cain as well, Lloyd Bridges. So I am wondering if the writers wanted us to think she was going to be a “good guy” when we first heard her name, only to find out that she is little e evil. (Love that term. Use it all the time!)

    2) I think this has been mentioned before on the podcast or in the blog comments, but did anyone else note that when Baltar is around a “real” Six that “head” Six often seems to disappear, unless he is under great duress? I will have to jump ahead to Season 3 and see if that theory holds water, but I thought I wound mention it now.

  29. Sherri says:

    Whoops. Should have been big E Evil.

  30. CodeAndrew says:

    Dunno if this is spoiler or not you can decide but there is an interview with the stars and creators of BSG on IGN

    link –

    The audio is kinda bad imo sometimes it hard to hear what is asked or what is being said.

  31. Browncoat_Bryan (aka McFrakkin) says:

    Okay, I have to say this. I agree with Sean that Lando was the coolest character in Star Wars, hands down. Sure, I’d love to be a Jedi, but Lando was DA MAN. However, I would have voted for Samuel L. Jackson’s character if he had said this line, “I am tired of these mutha-f$%*in’ Sith in this mutha-f$%*in’ galaxy!” and had BMF on his lightsaber.

    Okay, here’s the question: Who’s more whinier: Luke, Anakin, or Lee?

  32. Solai says:

    I’ve got to go with Armando on this one…I did not have the Millennium Falcon, but I did have the Death Star playset. I can still smell the sponges they used in the trash compactor.

    I didn’t recognize the Death Star “round” playset you described. Can you post a link?

    Great show! I am listening to all the episodes in order only pausing to listen to the most recently broadcast when they appear. Your tangents are hysterical. I find myself laughing out loud on my commute which makes the other people on the train look at me strangely. Between Scrubs and Harvey Birdman references you seem to have a window into my psyche. It may be slightly surreal when the two begin to harmonize and you are re-watching an episode that I am listening to the original podcast.

    BTW: You guys have not mentioned Boba Fett as a person to want to be or would be. I find this curious.



  33. The Alpaca Herder says:

    McFrakkin: Whinier? Anakin.

  34. Pike says:

    “BTW: You guys have not mentioned Boba Fett as a person to want to be or would be. I find this curious.”

    Two words. Sarlac pit.

    Need more? See the penultimate entry here:

  35. Wolfshawk says:

    I still have the Millennium Falcon, a land speeder, a tie fighter, and several action figures. I just can’t get rid of them, they are all originals from the late ’70 and ’80s. I also have a 6 Million $ man, a (unfortunately) broken Cylon from the original Galactica, a Cylon Raider that shoots the red missles, and some type of Colonial ship (not the Viper), oh yeah, and a 8″ Kirk, Spock, and Kligon action figure from TOS.

  36. Sean O'Hara says:

    Browncoat: You’re right, if Sam Jackson had BMF written on his saber and given his “I’m gonna walk the earth” speech and called Yoda “Honey bunny” I would have totally been down.

    Solai: You’ll have a hard time finding a bigger Fett fan than me… however cool is is though, you don’t want to be him. He has… anger issues. 😉

  37. Timbuck says:

    Pike said: (I was a Matchbox man, myself.) Sorry dude. Hot Wheels are the best! They make Matchbox cars look like Pintos.

    Sean: BMF on his saber! Awesome. “What does Emperor Palpatine look like? Does he look like a bitch? Then why you trying to frak him like one?”

    “What planet you from? “What”? I didn’t know they spoke English on What.”

    My Death Star ruled! I didnt have the Falcon. The Death Star had the foam garbage trash compactor!!! I had more fun w that than with my X-Wing, TIE fighter or snowspeeder combined. My mom threw it out during one of the family’s nimadic wanderings across the country. She’s going to Heck for that one!

    I saw one in like 1998 in the window of some store in Greenwich Village. $150! I almost skipped a car payment…

  38. Dave says:

    Sean O’Hara Says: if Sam Jackson had BMF written on his saber and given his “I’m gonna walk the earth” speech and called Yoda “Honey bunny” – LMAO

    I had a landspeeder, Millenium Falcon AND a Star Destroyer (upside: cool Vader rejuvination chaber, downside: really craaaaaaaappy plastic image of emperor). **sniff** life was so much simpler when all you had to worry about was not losing the little guns and lightsabers the characters came with…

  39. Armando says:

    I always imagined Sam Jackson giving his speek from Jackie Brown in the Star Wars prequels:

    “The Jedi lightsaber: when you absolutely, positively have to blow away every mother(fraker) in the room, accept no substitutes!”

  40. Solai says:

    Ha. I agree with you Sean and Pike regarding Fett’s “Anger issues” and the Sarlac pit, I would like to argue at the end of the day one needs to consider the big picture which is why Han Solo gets dropped from your list as he also has the Leia baggage and personal tragic events.

    Who would I want to be? Obi-Wan. You have skill, you are a Jedi…you are troubled enough to be interesting and yet remain at peace. In the end you do the right thing even tho you are a flawed (but not tragic) hero.

    Who would I be? Wedge Antilles. You are there at all of the significant events supporting the ultimate goal but bow out of the major spotlight. You are significant but not power hungry. You are talented and don’t have a bullseye painted to your chest.

    Those are my two cents. I’d like to continue playing the Sam Jackson transposed quote game.

    Mace Windu: I want you to go in that bag, and find my wallet.
    Yoda: Which one is it?
    Mace Windu: It’s the one that says Bad Motherfraker

  41. Dave says:

    awww–if we’re gonna do the San Jackson tranposed quote game, i have two:

    Just before storming the Chancellors office in Revenge of the Sith(Incredibles)
    Mace: Honeyyyyyyyyy?
    Wife: What?
    Mace: Where’s my lightsaber?
    Wife: What?
    Mace: Where….is…my lightsaber?
    Wife: I uh, put it away.
    Mace: Where?
    Wife: Why do you need to know?
    Mace: I need it!
    Wife: Nuh uh! Don’t you think about leaving to do some derrin’ do with Palpatine! We’ve been planning this dinner for two months!
    Mace: The Republic is in danger!
    Wife: My evening’s in danger!
    Mace: You tell me where my lightsaber is woman! This is for the greater good!
    Wife: I am your wife! I am the greatest ‘good’ you are ever gonna get!
    (looking back, he should have listened)

    A battle during the Clone Wars thet seems helpless
    Yoda: Yeah, Grasp that I do, Mace. All I’m doing is contemplating the ifs.
    Mace: I don’t wanna hear about no motherfrakkin ifs. All I wanna hear from your ass is, “You ain’t got no problem, Mace. I’m on the motherfrakker. Go back in there and chill them Sith out and wait for the cavalry, which should be coming directly.”
    Yoda: No Problem you have, Mace. Motherfrakker I’m on. Go back in there and chill them Sith out and wait for Obi Wan, who should be coming directly.
    Mace: You sendin’ Obi Wan?
    Yoda: Oh, feel better, do you motherfrakker??
    Mace: Sh*t, yeah, Master Yoda. That’s all you had to say.

    And of course: What Mace SHOULD have said to Palpatine in RotS
    Jedi Holocron 25:17. ‘The path of the righteous Jedi is beset on all sides by the inequities of the Sith and the tyrannies of Sith Lords. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepards the weak through the valley of the dark side of the Froce. For he is truly a Jedi and finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with GREAT vengeance and FURIOUS anger those who attempt to poison and destroy the Jedi. And you will know my name is Master Jedi Mace Windu when I lay my vengeance upon thee.’

    that would have been SWEET

  42. Solai says:

    Dave…that was awesome. Bravo!

    “You ain’t got no problem, Mace. I’m on the motherfrakker. Go back in there and chill them Sith out and wait for the cavalry, which should be coming directly.”


  43. Armando says:

    Hear, hear, Dave!

  44. Mike P says:

    Great podcast, guys. Although you guys are such fun and cool I would listen you to read the phone book, you are really at your best when you are directly talking about the episode at hand. Thanks!

    FWIW, I had the Milennium Falcon playset (don’t beat me up, Sean! ), but it wasn’t all that because it was big and cumbersome to “fly” through the air. I ended up playing with my die-cast minature Falcon a lot more.

    Starbuccaneer — Great exegesis of the Pegasus’ name. Way cool!

    On Michelle Forbes’ other roles — She also played a doctor in a pysch hospital in an excellent though disturbing and controvesial series on ABC called “Wonderland,” which aired for all of two episodes circa 2000. I wish they would release the whole thing, however many there were, to DVD. (Much as I wish they would release “Nothing Sacred,” the best show about clergy and religion on TV EVER, which ABC also cancelled around the same time — frakking ABC!)

    Sherri — You may be right although, as is mentioned in the podcast, “Cain” is surely an evocative name and not one you would necessarily pick for a good guy. As you know, Lloyd Bridges’ Cain turned out to be reckless and dangerous (although, as I recall, nowhere near as evil as Admiral Ro, just misguided).

    Solai — Plus, of course, Wedge gets to survive! 🙂

    LOL, Dave! “The Incredibles” rule. My son was Dash last year for Halloween. This year he is going to be the Flash. Hm, are we sensing a theme…?!

  45. Audra says:

    HScobie said: “Michelle Forbes played Dr Julianna Cox on Homicide for 2 seasons or so.”

    Dr. Elliott Reid (Scrubs): “I started an ‘I hate Cox’ chat room. It didn’t work out the way I planned. It’s just me, two interns and fourteen thousand lesbians.”

  46. Audra says:

    Oh, I think Luke is by FAR the whiniest. Omg, in the beginning of “A New Hope” when he’s blubbing to Uncle Owen about having to stay on the dirt farm I want to smack him in the head.

    Solai – Happy to spice up the commute for ya!

    Mike P – Thanks!

  47. Solai says:

    Well…you know, I have been listening to every podcast…I would love a call out…just a little brief thing to make my commitment to listening to every episode seem worthwhile…

    Can someone on the cast simply state the phrase: The lawn needs to be mowed.

    That would mean the world to me.

    Thank you for an amazing podcast. I have truly been enjoying each installment. All of them!

    – Solai

  48. Pike says:

    Solai, the easiest way to get a call-out is to do the (episode that will not be named—at least until November) call.

    Failing that: Get off of my lawn!

  49. Bugs says:

    Funny you mention V. A series where a an outside force come to control/destroy humanity, you get a hybrid baby, and you have a Tigh-like Michael(!) Ironside kicking lizard ass.
    Are we actually watching a BSG TOS-V reimagination?

  50. Stroogie says:

    Number 13 says: (In my Darth Vader voice) “Apology accepted, Captain Stroogie.”


    SLJ requote: “That’s a damn tasty algaeburger!”

  51. Stroogie says:

    Unending Kudos to Dave, BTW. ‘specially for The Incredibles reference. That was totally wicked!

  52. Dave says:

    Thanks everyone for the compliments on the Incredibles/Pulp Fiction pull(s), much appreciated. 🙂

    Stroogie: SLJ requote: “That’s a damn tasty algaeburger!” ROFL!! Nice!

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