GWC Re-Watch Frak Party: Flesh And Bone
It’s weeknine of our planned off-season re-watch of the entire “re-imagined” BSG canon, and it’s time to move on to the season one episode “Flesh And Bone.” So why not join us here for the GWC online frak party? There’s room for everyone, though you’ll have to bring your own snacks…
Feel free to jump in at any point with your comments on this week’s episode as the re-watch is by definition spoiler free. We’ll be in and out, but we’ll definitely take a look at your comments before we start next week’s podcast.
See you here all week!
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BEST EPISODE EVER!
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All hail Laura “Air Lock” Roslin!
I love this episode. And it’s extra creepy now knowing all that we do about Leoben and Starbuck. Well, what we think we know. What’s been alluded to. What we think is the reason for him doing what he does. Special destiny and all that. Actually, we still really don’t know what the hell he was doing. haha.
I’m hoping there will be a discussion about this because I’m still perplexed by the Kara/ Leoben relationship.
And because I forgot to put this in, one of my favorite little pieces of this episode is when the marines are forcibly bathing Leoben and Starbuck’s hanging out watching and she does that little move with her hand where she’s like, “Dunk him”, or the part where she’s just incredibly chilling and says, “Start again”.
I second it! This is one of the best episodes in season one, if not of the entire series, and it is especially intriguing as a re-watch, after seeing this relationship develop into something so weird and creepy.
Gray, my favorite Kara moment in those scenes is towards the end, after a cut during which Leoben has obviously been in the bucket for a long time, and she finally relents by saying, “ENOUGH! For frak’s sake let him breathe!” It’s a quick moment, but it tells you so much about how her attitude about what’s going on has changed.
Armando- I concur!
KS really lets you see the conflict that’s welling up within Starbuck over the torture. And by the end when she’s putting her hand up to Leoben’s and you can just see the empathy so plainly. It’s really affecting.
Love this ep.
Yes, one of the best episode of the series. If not the best. My favorite scene, and I think quite a chilling one, is when Leoben is on the floor looking up at Kara telling her of her past pains, etc… It’s the look on Kara’s face staring down at him. She appears to be in a trance of some sort, almost like an awakening/spritual moment for her – an understanding of a kind – …until Roslin walks in screeming and snaps Kara out of it. Damn it , Laura!
HEY HELOS A REPLICAOTR
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jeezus what an emotional roller coaster–
from the opening “nightmare/vision” Roslin is having, to Kara placing her hand up to Leoben’s just before he bites it into deep space…. ugh.
“…Adama is a cylon…” Leoben warns Roslin. and i have to wonder, why is it that Adama talks to dead cylons??? check the morgue scene. he’ll do it again in the future…. hmmmn.
I’ll never think of buckets of water the same way again! I also think of those Galactica beans whenever I eat them now, thanks to Kara talking about how bad they taste.
Thinking of the caller from the last podcast —
Laura is HOT in that white night gown walking around in the woods!
And there’s something about a woman with an airlock…..
(* pause to regain composure *)
Wow, that was good for me!
—BernUnit
I have an oddball theory about Leoben’s “Adama is a Cylon” comment
At the end of Crossroads II, I thought either Starbuck or Roslin could be the 5th Cylon. I bet we’ll see a continuation of Apollo/Starbuck and Roslin/Adama’s relationships in season 4-perhaps even a marriage? If Roslin marries Adama and takes his name, then maybe that’s what Leoben was referring to.
Of course, I’m most likely taking crazy pills.
Phoenix – interesting theory. I hadn’t considered it – but it would seem odd that Leoben would refer to Laura herself as “Adama” if she was the person he meant. Hmm.
The biggest problem we’ve had with this one is deciding whether Leoben has ever actually lied before. It’s one we tackled in the very beginning of GWC. We know others have lied, like Cavil, Doral, and Simon. Any thoughts?
Audra –
When we first met Leoben, he certainly lied to Adama about having allergies back in the miniseries, he even owed up to it before Adama killed him. I suspect, though I cannot prove, that he was never an arms dealer as he had suggested to Adama. He also lied about planting a nuke.
I know the first one is a bit silly – it was just his cover story for why he was sick, but it was, technically, a lie. The second one is much larger. He also lies later about Casey being Starbuck’s daughter.
Season 4 is the final season, David Eick confirmed:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3i157e88908d7e0062e667b93703b9ba80
Isn’t the fact that Leoben lies about the nuclear warhead enough to cast doubt on his assertion that “Adama is a Cylon”? Adama says the problem with Leoben is “not just” that he lies — meaning, the greater problem is that Leoben mixes truth with half-truths and deceit, but also, implicit, that he really is capable of out-and-out lying.
If I remember RDM’s commentary on “Tigh Me Up…” correctly (frak, how I hate that episode…), it was originally planned to be a much darker piece that really did revolve around the question of whether Adama is a Cylon. My suspicion is that Leoben’s line here was meant solely to set that up, and then plans changed. I wonder if it will ever be revisited.
Mike P, thanks for the info on RDM’s comment about that line. I haven’t heard that commentary, hence my crackpot theory.
I guess its similiar to the scenes alluding to the massacre on New Caprica (whatever Baltar whispered to Gaeta), but were dropped.
Phoenix, you are no doubt right, it has probably gone the way also of Caprica Six’s “You’re finally here” comment in the mini. Gone, and never to be revisited. Alas.