May 13, 2007
GWC Podcast #43
Fair warning: it’s been a long week for the three of us, and we were a little punchy when we recorded this late at night. At any rate, we spend most of the podcast discussing this week’s re-watch episode, “You Can’t Go Home Again,” and take a few listener calls. Highlights: we enjoy the way Starbuck and the Adamas show their true selves in “Home Again,” discuss Starbuck’s serious Raider-gutting-and-flying skills and how they might show her to be one of the final five — comment on Six’s “blue napkin” dress, wonder why “bulletheads” are such bad shots, and question the effectiveness of Hera’s blood as a future (second) cure for Roslin’s cancer.
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Woo-hoo! First post!
Punch away. I’m sure this is a stellar ‘cast, as always. Looking forward to listening to it on yet another business trip this week.
I thought about throwing this in a main post, but figured it’d probably only be important to the regulars: If you happen to live in the San Francisco/Bay Area, Sean and I will be at Maker Faire both days. We’ll be there for work, but feel free to stop by and say hey.
Nobody ever comes to Texas. 🙁 Oh well. Just got the podcast on my IPod, plannin to listen to it here in a few minutes. I’m sure it’ll be fantastic as always.
Great cast. Fun to hear you all getting punchy again, it’s been a little while.
BTW, Baltar was the first to explicitly say “toasters” (to Caprica Six in the mini after she revealed she was a Cylon.)
Oh, and for the record, exactly which scene are we supposed to be watching? (re the Head-Six/Baltar info reveal.)
Jim
Homer Simpson ” I am evil Homer! I am evil Homer! ”
Theme music picks :
Ellen Tigh, AC/DC “Give the Dog a Bone” listen to it while watching the “Ellen with brother Cavil” scene. I think you would know what scene I’m taliking about.
Starbuck and Kat, AC/DC “Shoot to Thrills” listen to it while watching “Scar”
Starbuck and Leoben, AC/DC “Let Me Put My Love Into You” listen to it while watching “Exodus: Part 2”
Six and Gaius, AC/DC “You Shook Me All Night Long” listen to it while watching any scene with Six and Gaius getting get on.
Jim
Chuck/Sean/Audra- What exactly is your profession(s)? I’m leaning towards hit men because that seems to be the most obvious choice. I don’t think I’ve ever heard you guys say other than dropping a few clues (Sean- artist of some sort?).
I can’t wait to listen to this one because I’ve finally caught up. Just watched “You Can’t Go Home Again” and “Litmus”, so I’m good to go. Those were some incredible episodes.
re: Maker Faire — oops, I forgot to mention that I have a few spare one-day passes, too. I think we’re going to be doing a meetup somewhere Friday night, so if you’re interested, drop me a line via contact form (or here) and I’ll give you details.
Here’s a few theme songs.
Baltar- 19th Nervous Breakdown or Addicted to Love
Roslin- Afternoon Delight or Crazy on You (ca. TABFAYW)
Starbuck- Hard to Handle or You Know I’m No Good or Hot Blooded.
Chuck- In the pcast yall mention Frak parties and their legality “here in Texas”. Am I understanding that right? Are yall casting from the TX?
Gray- I’m sure I’ve heard them say Texas in the past.
Wow. Okay, that’s awesome. I’m just so used to everything being done on one of the coasts that it surprises me when something’s domestic.
Thanks 13th.
Gray – Yep, we’re podcasting from Texas! The guys are traveling to SF from here.
13th – I’m an English prof. and a grad student. I didn’t say before because I want to be able to make grammatical errors in the ‘cast and the blog with impunity. 🙂
Pike – Sorry, that was confusing. I was switching Baltar and Six talking about it in the cast. We meant the scene right before the Baltar trial in Season 3 when Head Baltar gives clues to Caprica Six (while in the cell on Galactica) about how Ellen Tigh died.
Audra- That’s excellent! I’m excited to know some other fans in the same general area( albeit a huge general area).
I’m a history/ english major so that probably explains the fact that I find myself agreeing with quite a few of your points in the casts.
The reason why I thought the toasters missed Helo is the fact that the cylons needed to test him, so they had to kidnap sharon and it would kinda have put a kink in their plans if they shot him 50 times. However if they had just ignored the toaster and him then he may have cottoned on that something was wrong which coulda risked blowing sharons cover.
Okay, here we go, I have some for you guys!
Hot Dog- Low Rider
Boomer- I Want to Be Sedated
Baltar- Suddenly I See/Through Glass/I Touch Myself
Anders- Savin’ Me (or for Audra, I’m Too Sexy for My Shirt)
Elen- Mustang Sally
Tigh- Margaritaville/A Pirate’s Life
Cain- Angel of Death by Slayer
Centurians- Mr. Roboto
Raiders- Highway to the Dangerzone
Chief- Blue Collar Man
D’Anna- Crazy
Apollo S1- Walk the Line
Apollo in Black Market- I’m in Love with a Stripper
Lampkin- Cheap Sunglasses by ZZ Top
Apollo and Starbuck- Secret Lovers
I was trying to think of one for Doc Cotel(sp)…
About the announcement Elmos made regarding fourth season being the final one – go check scifi.com’s announcements section. David Eick retracted Elmos’ announcement and also mentioned that the fourth season will be 22 episodes instead of 13 as originally announced.
And my last word is … butterfingers!
Where did you guys hear this announcement? (I haven’t listened to the podcast yet. It’s been a busy day.)
I, actually, am hoping that season four would be the final season. Not that I wouldn’t enjoy BSG for years to come, but I think the story is begging for an ending and I would hate to see RDM and Eick not be given the chance to end it on their own terms by the network.
Song titles – cast matches…
Sorry if you haven’t heard of some of these bands, but there’s a few Aussies in there!
Adm Cain: What’s a few men? (Hunters & Collectors)
Papadama: Dogs of War, Pink Floyd
Lee Adama: Be With You (The Angels)
Starbuck: Short Skirt/Long Jacket, (Cake) OR Born To Run, Springstein
Gaius: Slave To Love (Roxy Music) OR Don’t Stand So Close To Me (Police)
Six: Sex-O-Matic Venus Freak, Macy Gray OR The Bad Touch (Mammals)
Roslyn: Days Like This (Van Morrison)
Dee: Bizarre Love Triangle, New Order
Billy: Heartbreak Hotel (Elvis. He’s still on Caprica, y’know)
Tigh: The Nips Are Getting Bigger (Mental As Anything)
Chief: Working For The Man (Mental As Anything)
Sharon: Baby Did A Bad Bad Thing (Chris Isaak)
Ellen Tigh: (You’re The) Devil In Disguise (Elvis)
Audra- On the way home I was listening the beginning of this podcast and I knew you had to be some sort of English teacher, so it’s funny that it’s true. In my argument and persuasion class last semester, we always went back to the rhetorical triangle (ethos/logos/pathos). You mentioned Roslin appealed to their logic or whatever and it hit me- only an English professor would say that! lol
I think right now I’d like to teach high school history, but lately I’ve been toying with teaching middle school. I’ve got a few semesters to make up my mind, though. It’s also cool to know that BSG has such an intelligent fan base. : )
If I may say so I’d like to go out on a limb and echo 13th. But, I’ll go you one further. I think we are the most intelligent fan base out there 🙂
Does that qualify as hyperbole?
One more quick update: Sean and I will be at The Page in San Francisco Friday night at around 8 p.m. If any of you want to stop by, it’d be fun to say “hey,” and we’ll have a few spare Maker Faire day passes to hand out if you want to see the show.
re: my day job — I’m a blogger, software developer, freelance writer, etc. In my mind, I feel like a watered-down modern-day Buckaroo Bonzai, but I’m probably closer to my friends’ description of “jack of all trades, master of none.” At least I enjoy it. Most of the time.
Chuck, don’t put yourself down!
We all have a little Buckaroo Bonzai inside of us!!!
Well, again, I can only hope that season 4 is the last one, for BSG’s own sake. It would just be like a network to milk something good to death, until it is no longer quality, just about quantity. Extending the season smacks of that to me. Ok, 22 episodes — but make them the frakking best 22 episodes of BSG we’ve ever seen, all leading up to a finale that will leave ALL TV fans — and not just the genre ones — talking for YEARS. (Or yahrens, if you prefer.)
Audra: Nice to know that my wife and I are not the only ones who can use “My EYES!” in conversation to get a laugh and have people know what we’re talking about! Iam sure you are without a doubt the coolest English teacher your students will have, whether they know it or not. 🙂 Do you ever sneak BSG into class discussion? (When you were able to pull up Augustine to bolster Trak101’s argument about evil being the absence of good a few weeks ago, I was floored. That was mighty impressive!)
Several thoughts (I too am shocked lol):
1) The DVD/ TV movie is supposedly going to be called “Razor”. It’s about the BS Pegasus, so I doubt we’ll be finding much Earthy stuff (good thing Sean didn’t lay a quater down on that one). Comes this fall, so only a few more months of “Crossroads Pt II”.
2) Chuck- It sounds like you’re a pretty well rounded person to be do all those different things. Jacks of all trades are cool. So cool that Bruce Campbell starred in a show called “Jack of All Trades”. He basically says silly one liners while being a Yankee beating up on the French. It’s so hokey that my TV secretes cheese when I watch one of the DVDs. And hey, Bruce Campbell beating up on the French never gets old!
3) More celebrity stories! I love the old Heston story! There’s a great picture of him floating around the net of him kissing Dr. Zira. Good stuff. lol
Chuck said: “One more quick update: Sean and I will be at The Page in San Francisco Friday night at around 8 p.m. If any of you want to stop by…”
I just would like to add that I hate everyone on the west coast right now. Everyone.
That is all.
Pike- I agree. Plus I really want to go see that museum they mentioned in the last one. There’s a new video on the Sci Fi site where Aaron Douglass is chatting to fans about the show after a screening of “Crossroads Pt II”. He was funny and picked people who were at least partially drunk. He also holds the microphone in a style similar to the way the Queen might drink a cup of tea. lol
Gray, I don’t know about the smartest fan base. If they give us PhD’s and Master’s degrees, they’ll give them to anybody! 😉
I don’t know if it’s been said here before but there are 3 pretty cool new official Romocentric podcasts available on the official website (or on iTunes Store) by Mark Sheppard 🙂
Yeah, I’ve been listening to the Mark Sheppard podcasts. He’s such a cool guy. I just downloaded the last one and can’t wait for what he has to say.
I second Pike. I hate the west coast. But, that’s just me.
As for songs…
Tory – Love Hangover (Diana Ross)
Baltar (while dissin’ Six and going off with D’Anna in Eye of Jupiter) – Cold Hearted Snake (Paula Abdul)
Baltar (during the Baltar Sandwich scenes) – Pimpin’ Ain’t Easy (Big Daddy Kane)
Lee Adama (during his whiny days) – any Keith Sweat song
Lee Adama (during the trial) – Parents Just Don’t Understand (Fresh Prince and Jazzy Jeff)
Roslin and Adama (on New Caprica) – Mary Jane
Billy – Shot Through the Heart (Bon Jovi)
Gaeta – any Boy George or Kenny Loggins song (trust me on that one)
Browncoat-
That’s possibly the best Baltar theme yet.
And Billy’s is sad but true. That Dualla is a “Cold Hard Bitch”. (Jet)
Gray – cool! I love history as well and always work it into teaching writing and lit. After all, we need something to write *about*…
13th- Dang it, you pegged me. 😉 Actually Chuck is the one to go to for logical arguments. He’d clean the floor with mine! And cool that you’re teaching- it’s a great job.
Mike P – A kindred spirit! Lol. “Now what am I gonna do for eyyyes?”
I do actually talk about BSG in class occasionally. Unfortunately, almost none of my (community college) students have seen the show, just maybe one or two. But I don’t let that stop me. *grin*
Great song lists everyone! Y’all are the best.
OK, here’s a few more…
80’s pop edition:
Lee – Papa Don’t Preach (Madonna)
Admiral Adama – I Won’t Back Down (Tom Petty)
Baltar – Everybody Wants to Rule the World (Tears for Fears), or I want Your Sex (George Michael), or Making Love out of Nothing at All (Air Supply)
Tigh – Eyes Without a Face (Billy Idol), or Boys of Summer (Don Henley)
Ellen Tigh – You Spin Me Round (Like a Record) (Dead or Alive) – lol
Billy – Take My Breath Away (Berlin), or Wrapped Around Your Finger (Police)
Dee – Heartbreaker (Pat Benetar)
Chief – Walk of Life (Dire Straits)
Gaeta – Whip It (Divo)
Starbuck – Don’t You Forget About Me (Simple Minds)
Anders – She Drives Me Crazy (Fine Young Cannibals)
Lampkin – The Future’s So Bright I Gotta Wear Shades (Timbuk 3)
Helo – My SHARONa (The Knack) (Sorry, that was lame!)
Sharon – I Just Died in Your Arms (Cutting Crew) (sorry, even worse)
Laura Roslin – Lady in Red (Chris Deburgh)
Another one for Lee – Parents Just Don’t Understand (DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince)
Song match for Sharon, end of Season 1:
Woke Up This Morning…Alabama 3
“Woke Up This Morning
Got yourself a gun….”
OH and another Gaeta…
“I Want To Break Free”…Queen (think of the music video)
Fat Lee- Eat it! (Wierd Al
Tigh- A Jack with One Eye
I would like to say that I personally hate everyone that can go to SanFran to see them! I’m in Phoenix, think you guys could drop by…please…I’ll give you a dollar…a vot for Sean in every poll…something…please…
Audra- Well not even Chuck could sway the Vader fans in that particular argument. lol
Also, I love the 80’s songs! I was born in ’88, so technically I’m a child of the 80’s. I used to bash it for sounding silly, but now that’s why I love it. For the upcoming “Colonial Day” episode, I’d toss in David Bowie’s “Let’s Dance”. One of my all time favorites and there’s a lot of dancing towards the end of the episode (with an AMAZING looking Starbuck). Plus I love it when Adama says “I’m a patriot.”
Oh yeah, well my mind was in the gutter, but we don’t know for a fact that Hot Dog is into women (watching Starbuck moaning in bed doesn’t count). Maybe it’s Hot Dog and Gaeta. Imagine the CRAAAP those two would get from their names alone. lol
Wow, you guys rock! Gimmee some of that!!!
(is that stuff illegal in Texas?)
I don’t know if I could take this every week, but it’s got me energized enough to start another Helo battle! Leave him alone – he’s star struck by the sexiest machine alive – he’s going to do weird stuff like cook breakfast. And remember, he shows his true colors next week when he goes after Sharon when he could just walk away. I seriously doubt anyone else would have done the same.
Anyway, great job as always. See you next week!
After getting a mention on the podcast as someone who would probably come up with a “better” list of songs, I hate to come back and disappoint. I’ve got nothin’! That’s what you get for being a classical musician with a very limited knowledge of popular music.
Audra, I did get your PDQ Bach reference right away though. I love that piece! You may not know the Stravinsky original of which it’s a loose spoof, a Latin setting of Oedipus Rex he did with Jean Cocteau titled, appropriately enough, “Oedipus Rex…” but nowhere near as funny as “Oedipus Tex” (“Don’t give your mama love you should be savin’ for your horse!”).
To add my 2 pesos about Helo cooking breakfast, I’d like to mention how incredibly happy he is to be toasting some icing-less Pop Tarts. He’s all whistling and happy, it’s a rather amusing bit… that is until the Evil (capital “E”) Centurion shows up and misses after many dozen shots are fired. It doesn’t really even care enough to walk around and make sure he’s dead. That’s one lazy ass robot. But, because it only has one eye (like Tigh), I imagine it has really bad depth perception. Also, doesn’t Helo realize that Six and Doral are ALWAYS watching him from some higher area? Doral and his jackets always were creepy, but this added to it.
I’d also like to point out the incredible job the production people and crew did to make Caprica so empty. They did an awesome job on that.
My personal favorite from “Oedipus Tex” — even more than “My Eyes!” (although that and the subsequent segue into “The Eyes of Texas” is just brilliant) is the gypsy’s song: “You murdered your father, you married your mother, you rascal! You’re my kind of guy…. The gods are ticked off, and now someone must pay! Ai ai ai ai ai!” 🙂
Good stuff.
13th-
The people in Vancouver are either really accommodating or really happy to stay indoors because with all the shoots BSG did out in irradiated Caprica, they must’ve never seen the light of day.
Gray, I believe that there was some digital editing to help with that.
Or yes, it could have been done digitally.
Yes, Pike, you’ve outsmarted me once again.
13th wrote: It doesn’t really even care enough to walk around and make sure he’s dead. That’s one lazy ass robot. But, because it only has one eye (like Tigh), I imagine it has really bad depth perception.
Rofl! That’s why D’Anna had to get so close to them when she ordered the Centurions to kill her – they kept missing!
Even with one eye you’d think it’d be easier to see her. She’s like the tallest person in the BSG verse. Unless you count Sam and Helo. But they’re not suicidal so that’s beside the point.
D’Anna’s 1st Suicide Attempt:
D’Anna- That is it I have had it with Doral! If I see another blue…
[a Doral walks by in a the usual blue attire]
D’Anna- Centurion 13579803958951 come here NOW!!!
[Centurion walks over from the wall]
D’Anna *standing four feet away*- I want you to put a bullet right here.
[She points to the middle of her forehead. The centurion raises it’s left arm and fires]
D’Anna- You fraking IDIOT!!! YOU SHOT ME IN THE STOMACHE!!!
[Centurion aims and fires again]
D’Anna- MOTHER FRAKER!!! THAT’S MY SHOULDER NOT MY HEAD!!!
[D’Anna walks over to the centurion and puts her head to the smoking barrel]
D’Anna- Shoot.
BANG!!!
-Al Fin
LOL, Leon! What’s funny is that I keep picturing Will Ferrell’s voice rather than Lucy Lawless during that whole exchange, because it reminds me of the sequence in the first Austin Powers where Dr. Evil has Will Ferrell executed (“You shot me! You shot me right in the arm!”).
heh-heh.
I think the centurions are still suffering from having been modeled after Star Wars stormtroopers. When the characters you’re based on are based on characters who are themselves awful shots, what can you expect? It’ll take at least one more generation of natural robot selection (?!?!?) to make centurions better shots. DUH! 😉
Well stormtroopers could at least hit their targets every so often. Didn’t Leia get a scrape on her arm when she was at the shield generator on Endor? And stormtroopers could only fire one at a time, the Cylonz have two arms that shoot out like 6 at a time.
i redthe big. of the frak party and Adruaa do you notice all the shakespear quotes one that stands out is “you have your pound of flesh, now get away”
also ive posted songs for people like 42 times(yes that was an allusion) amd nobody payed attention, so im not posting them again, but the there song should be”its the end of the world as we know it”REM
Leon you did stargate fancasts ha ive found you
13th- DONT TEACH MIDDLESCHOOL its fro your own saftey
Yah, it kinda died. 🙁
I hope to revive it in some from soon though!
yeah it did it also had like 45 different hosts do you relise its like 4 weeks till its all over *tearstears*
I put quartr that if it was stormtrooprvs.centurion the toaster would win becaust the stormtrooper would loose a massive amoun of blood fro the 523678903456 leg shots
Okay, so yeah…maybe stormtroopers occassionally hit their target. So maybe Centurions are descended from prequel trilogy battle droids? (They do kind of look like the “super” battle droids…)
heh they do, im a big fan of the prequils*takes cover behind pet centurion becase i now ill have fanboys aftre me
I wouldn’t say I’m a BIG fan of the prequels, Boxy, but I do enjoy them. Hell, I’m even forgiving of The Phantom Menace, which is, admittedly, a baaaaad movie.
Well, I can’t bash them since I just watched Ep II: AOTC and actually enjoyed it. And I confess, I like Ep I: TPM because I was 10 when that came out and it was soo exciting with all the hype and toys and movie tie- ins. I have good memories from it. Podracing= awesome on the big screen. I’m a racing fan and in reality, it was a terrible race, Anakin would lose 30 seconds and make it up in 20 more. lol But hey, since when was Star Wars free of plot holes? I’m still trying to figure out how they made it out of the trash compactor.
R2 turned it off and opened the door! DUH! 😉
13th, you just made me feel incredibly old. I was in grad school when TPM came out. You were TEN!?!?!? Yikes!
Yep, 5th grade when TPM came out. I remember seeing the Special Edition of ANH on the big screen, so that means I was 8 when that happened (3rd grade). I’m making myself feel old now. lol
Jebus! Well, I guess that’s the way of things. I was just thinking the other day how it felt like only yesterday the SW special editions were out in theaters. Now it’s a 30th anniversary and there’s a whole lot of other hooplah around that (yet no theatrical re-releases? What’s up with that?).
Ha, I know. I was thinking about how it’s been 10 years since Greedo shot first. My how time flies. There was going to be 3-D releases, but there just aren’t that many 3-D theaters and thus it’s not financially smart to do so yet. I have heard on the news lately (past month or so) that the jump to 3-D in theaters will be as big as the jump from black and white to color and it’ll happen within the next 5 years. And then there’s stuff like the 2008 Clone Wars show and a live action show for 2009, so Star Wars at 31 and 32 will be bigger.
your 18 13?yes you noly have 4 years on me. The concept for ep. 2 was i think the best idea they ever had, th edual blades was frakin awesome, dude i was 6 when TPM cme out, dude i still have the VHS, maby i like the prequils more because i saw 4,5,6 when i was like 5
also WHERE THE FRAK IS # 44????
You know, Boxy, you may be on to something there. People who saw the prequels as kids are a lot more forgiving of them than others (although I actually liked them fine, even though they really aren’t very good as films…except maybe Revenge of the Sith).
13, I’ll believe the 3D when I see it. They were saying the same thing about digital theaters back in 1999 and I don’t think they’re still anywhere near the norm (I don’t know. I haven’t been to the movies in a reaaaaaal long time. Too expensive and very little comes out which I find justifies the expense. Man, I sound old!).
Cut ’em some slack on 44, guys. Sean and Chuck were out of town all weekend.
Where is 44? Held up at the crossroads, I imagine…
Armando, I think you’re right. I grew up with Ewoks (literally, and I still tend to say “Yub yub” when I get excited) and Jar Jar, so I don’t harbor the hate that many feel for them (really folks, it’s a movie, not the “RAPE of my childhood!”). Some say Ewoks were the George’s fall from grace, but if you don’t find the Ewok baby crying for it’s dead mother, you’re a heartless bastard. lol Even as a kid, that tore me up inside. Heck, I’m guilty of popping in the Ewok Adventures DVD from time to time.
Yes, be kind to old #44. It’s on up there.
Pike- It’s at the crossroads… PART 2!
Oh come on, 13, really? The baby ewok crying for its mother (you mean the one that looks like a rodent muppet)? I mean, I was ten when I saw that and thought it was cute, but now that I’m in my 30’s I know better.
I enjoy those films in spite of their flaws. Thankfully, George Lucas seems to have a sense of humor about himself and his own work, which is heartening (he commissioned the upcoming Robot Chicken Star Wars special, which I am looking forward to, after all).
You’re right, though: these are just movies. Although Bryan Poseign’s (spelling?) joke about TPM being the “rape of his childhood” in “The Comedians of Comedy” (a great, underrated little documentary, by the way) is pretty fracking funny.
That phrase has taken on a life of it’s own. It’s often followed by “it totally changes the way you view Han’s character throughout the films!”
I’m also looking forward to the Robot Chicken special. I had heard about this last fall, when the creator of Morel Oral said that the Robot people were making a Star Wars special to air on one of the networks during the Super Bowl half time show. I had assumed it fell through, and then it was announced a few weeks back.
And if you didn’t catch George on Conan, you should go find it on YouTube. It’s pretty dang funny.
Oh, boy! An “Oedipus Tex” reference! That’s a family favorite over here.