GWC Re-Watch Frak Party: Water

It’s weekthree of our planned off-season re-watch of the entire “re-imagined” BSG canon, and it’s time to move on to the season one episode “Water.” So why not join us here for the GWC online frak party? There’s room for everyone, though you’ll have to bring your own snacks…

Feel free to jump in at any point with your comments on this week’s episode as the re-watch is by definition spoiler free. We’ll be in and out, but we’ll definitely take a look at your comments before we start next week’s podcast.

See you here all week!

44 Responses to "GWC Re-Watch Frak Party: Water"
  1. StevieSpin says:

    Yay! What if some die hard starts to make a podcast ABOUT the GW podcast? whee!

  2. Pike says:

    *Intro music*

    Pike: Welcome to Galactica Watercooler Watercooler, where all the Galactica Watercooler fans hang out to talk about Galactica Watercooler. We don’t discuss spoilers on this podcast because we don’t have any. The most recently podcast episode is number thirty-nine, Water.

    OK, speaking of intros…

    Lt. Slingshot: Smooth seque, Pike.

    Pike: SPEAKING of intros, what did you all think of the latest one?

    Lt. Slingshot: You sucked.

    Pike: The latest GALACTICA WATERCOOLER intro. Anyone?

    StevieSpin: Well, nice that they’re finding new ways to say, “Crossroads Part II.” I have to wonder how long they’ll be able to keep that up, though.

    Pike: Good point. 13th?

    13th Cylon: Well, I miss Audra’s bombastic intros.

    Pike: I agree. Armando?

    Armando: Huh?

    Pike: What did you think of the intro? The GWC intro.

    Armando: Oh, haven’t heard it.

    13th Cylon: What? Why not?

    Armando: I’m like two weeks behind. You know that.

    Pike: Holy Frak! We’ve got a call!

    StevieSpin: Did you actually say ‘frak?’

    Caller: You jokers wasted three hours of my dial-up download time, only to find out it was not, in fact, Galactica Watercooler! Of all the…

    Pike: OK, clearly another Battlestar Galactica fan who’s upset about the ten month hiatus.

    13th Cylon: Fortunately, we Galactica Watercooler fans don’t have that problem.

    Browncoat Bryan: As a Firefly fan, I feel for them. We had to…

    Everyone: We’ve heard it!

  3. The 13th Cylon says:

    lol Pike- I was wondering where my fellow 13 models were.

    Alright, I’m about to start watching “Water”. I haven’t seen this episode in a LONG time. Some of the mid-season 1 episodes I haven’t seen in a year when I first watched them. Shame on me, I know.

  4. Gray says:

    Water has just never been a favorite for me.

  5. The 13th Cylon says:

    1) I think Sharon definitely knew she was a Cylon.

    2) I think Tigh was trying to ration his drinks. I don’t believe for a second that that man/robot would ever try to give up his ol’ ambrosia. Speaking of which, I always wondered how his liver wasn’t crud by now, but him being a Cylon certainly explains it.

  6. Audra says:

    Pike – LOL! What a great scenario. I think you got everyone’s personality down. 🙂

    13th-by-way-of-Pike – I miss the bombastic intros, too. I’ll have to get more bombalicious. (Isn’t that a song by Shaggy – “Miss the bombastic?” hehe)

  7. Audra says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liA0m72RbuA&mode=related&search=

    Shaggy: “I miss da bombastic, Audra’s fantastic.” 😉

    It’s in the ship!

  8. Chucksax says:

    Watching the miniseries and the early episodes really makes me wonder how much of the plan was laid out in advance and how much was made up as they were going along. It’s an interesting thing, and Ron Moore had even laid it out near the end of season two in one of the podcasts: when it’s a 13-episode season, the creators can really obsess over the details and craft little gems of shows, with nothing wasted. Moore said that when they moved to a 20-episode season, the pressures of getting the episodes out on time meant that more things were falling through the cracks – as evidenced by the fact that seasons two and three seemed to lose steam from episodes 13-16.

    This is the only thing that gives me a little bit or trepidation in regards to the 23-episode season four – I’m scared of that midseason drought. “33” and “Water” were such incredible episodes – I saw them the first night they came on, and it blew me away in ways that no show had since Babylon 5 went off the air. “Black Market” and “The Woman King” really didn’t do it for me as much.

  9. Browncoat Bryan says:

    LOL, Pike!! As a Firefly fan, I have to say that you’re da man!!!

  10. The 13th Cylon says:

    lol That bombastic song made me think of when Anders and Tory are doing their jam session in the room and Tigh goes bonkers. The best part of that scene is when Tigh first walks in and says “Woooahhh”. lmao!

  11. rachel says:

    The re-watch was a great idea!! Especially watching sharon and chief interact…. so romantic!! It’s intresting to see how those two characters were first presented, and consider the stark differences to how they act now.

    now that the chief is a (maybe) final fiver, i wonder if we’ll get to see boomer and him make a come back…..,. *fingers crossed*

  12. Dainin says:

    In reflecting back on those ‘early’ days as Adama and Roslin were still feeling out the appropriate relationship, (esp in light of the various dicussions we’ve had on the military civilian interaction) is how close they could have been to a military junta.

    Rather than Roslin making the case for civilian control, it was really Adama’s acceptance of it in the beginning, voluntarily submitting to civilian control that made it happen. Although it probably was a close thing. We know from later episodes that he can just say frak it, I am taking over (although he usually backed down eventually). Consider how Admiral Cain might have handled it if Roslin had landed on Pegasus just prior to the attack:

    Roslin: Admiral, I am the duly constituted civilian commnad authority per articles of succesiion of the 12 Colonies, and I insist that you desist and send out rescue missions ratehr than taking on that Cylon Fleet.

    Cain: Whether you are or are not the President is something I do not have time for. XO, escort her out of CIC. Dradis, any contact?

    Roslin: Admiral, the fate of humanity is at take here. If we are to survivie as a species, we have to start having babies.

    Cain: XO, your side arm please {BAMM!} Dradis! I said any contact. Oh and take take the ex president of the 12 colonies to the airlock.

    (or something like that:) )

  13. fuzzyelf says:

    I used to think that Boomer placed the bomb on the raptor to hide any water findings, but now I don’t think she was fighting her “Cylon side” when she was trying not to reach for the bomb, bc remember, killing oneself is a sin. I think her cylon side was fighting the human side of her that wanted to commit suicide. She did shoot herself in the face. And I admit I’m not quite done with the podcast yet, but you guys didn’t mention that look on her face at the end of the episode. I’m pretty sure that at that moment, she was fully aware that she is a cylon, even if for a brief moment.

  14. The 13th Cylon says:

    Yes, the good old days, back when the Cylonz were still able to convince us all that they actually had a plan.

  15. Dainin says:

    13~ There IS a plan! Your just sore cuz you weren’t invited to Those Meetings 🙂 xoxo

  16. Pike says:

    Chief interview here:
    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/whatson/aaron-douglas–gallactic-amongst-fans/2007/04/12/1175971233722.html

    Read the second page for the cool new spelling of ‘Cylons’ that all the hip kids are using.

  17. StevieSpin says:

    Link didn’t work! Damn you and your teaser posts!

    What was the spelling?

    SS

  18. Pike says:

    Huh. Odd that. It kinda works, but not in the way it’s supposed to.

    OK, Short version, Chief likes the way it all worked out for him. He ended up being much more important than originally envisioned.

    Also, The Brisbane Times repeatedly spelled “Cylon” as “Psilon,” which is hella-cool.

  19. StevieSpin says:

    That reminds me of some terms used in X-men comics (more geekiness!) and maybe others too, usually to describe psionic abilities, like Jean Grey. I think there was even a comic called Psi-Force, but at the time I called it “Pee Ess Eye Force”.

    Ah, memories!

    SS

  20. gafra says:

    Regarding the Sharon cylon/non-cylon thing, it seems to me she has a jekyl and hyde personality, and that there is some internal switch that is thrown between the two. Personality A (human) has no idea what personality B (cylon) is doing. However human Sharon is discovering what cylon Sharon is up to and slowly the two are merging. I think there are times when cylon Sharon just takes over (eg bomb on the raptor, bombs in water tanks, shooting Adama) and then human Sharon has to deal with the consequences.
    The look on Sharon’s hace in the closing scenes in the corridor are, I think, Cylon Sharon. The difference is that the other Cylons (Leoben etc) KNOW their place and there is no ambiguity to their intent or actions.
    What was the movie where there was an agent that was trained, on hearing a certain voice command, to turn from Joe Average into a highly trained killer?
    gaf

  21. Mike P says:

    gafra: You must be thinking of “The Manchurian Candidate.”

    I think you’re clearly right about Sharon in “Water,” at any rate. I am still wondering what “triggered” her. She didn’t hear “All Along the Watchtower,” after all! 🙂 What toggles that switch back and forth between the personalities? It is interesting that you mention Sharon eventually “merges” or integrates her personalities, albeit to come down on the side of “I am Cylon,” since we are seeing the final four (if that is who they really are!) moving toward merging on the side of “I am human” — at least, if Tigh (and perhaps Tory) are any indication, in the final scene of “Crossroads II.”

  22. Hybrid Master says:

    Manchurian Candidate, Gafra….

  23. Mike P says:

    Oh, forgot to add:

    1) Maybe this was mentioned in the podcast (I can’t recall), but notice how Gaeta starts feeling his pocket for money when Baltar remarks that he doesn’t have any for the card game. What a cool little touch! All good acting is reacting, right? It’s a quick moment but it really helps establish that Gaeta looks up to Baltar — which makes their successive relationship all the more interesting. (“Butterfingers!”)

    2) I never noticed until rewatching “Water” that Colonial One has a name on the side of the ship — “Intersun.” You can see it fairly clearly as the last scene between Lee and Roslin is beginning, as the camera pushes in on the ship. Maybe that’s like Boeing would be in our world? Or was the flight to Galactica in the mini aboard a civilian commercial airliner from the “Intersun” fleet that was designated Colonial 598 (or whatever, eventually Colonial One, of course) for the duration of the voyage?

  24. The 13th Cylon says:

    All this Cylon talk reminded me of how I’ve been mis-hearing a David Bowie song (“Big Brother” on the “Diamond Dogs” album). I thought he was saying “he’ll build a classy Cylon” but he was actually saying a “glass asylum”. He is known for being way ahead of his time as far as music goes, so it was possible.

    Oh yeah, I would also like to thank FOX for airing a nice BSG off season replacement for me, that is until they cancel it. “Drive” is an awesome show, and other than BSG and NBC’s late night shows, I don’t watch TV.

  25. Pike says:

    Mike P, good on you! I always like that scene, but it never really registered what Gaeta was doing there until you said that.

    I am sure that “Colonial One” was just a commercial transport, originally. Remember, Roslin was forty-something in line for the Presidency (for perspective, we don’t have an eleventh in line.)

  26. The 13th Cylon says:

    Oh yeah, that entire card game scene is one of my all time favorites. Baltar’s little fist pump and unrolling his sleeves is just one of those moments that stick out in my mind. He wins that black jacket and, correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t he wear that jacket later in the season a few times? If so, it’s a cool little touch.

  27. Mike P says:

    13th: Don’t know about the black jacket, but why does Baltar leave his original jacket on the table when the game is over? Hasn’t he just won it all — including, presumably, his clothes back?

  28. Trak101 says:

    I *believe* the device from the dradis and Caprica 6’s purse shows up again in the season finale as a Cylon recognition device. Boomer has it in her raptor when she goes to blow up the Basestar…

    The last thing Baltar does after the poker game is pick up all his winnings and then leaves the room… I don’t think he leaves anything behind except the clove he gives Starbuck…

    Something that was alluded to in the podcast about Baltar but not really discussed was that Baltar was a genuine celebrity. No matter how odd his behavior is, everyone gives him the benefit of the doubt…

  29. Gray says:

    Pike,
    I may be hardcore hallucinating here, but I do think at one point early on in a flashback scene with Adar he does say soemthing about loaning her Colonial One. Evidence that would seem to back it up is the layout of the craft and the white and blue paintjob. The ship has a press room, and big leather office chairs. And I think I recall hearing a podcast snippet about the craft.

    Now, I know evidence that might serve to contradict is when in the miniseries the Captain of that ship says that they change their callsign to “Colonial One” but could it be they change it because Roslin’s now the pres?

    I’m gonna have to go check this out.

  30. Gray says:

    Okay- Hallucinations it is.

    Didn’t see Mike P’s post.

    But it was a conveniently seet up ship.

  31. Browncoat Bryan says:

    I’m with you, 13th. I don’t watch much television either. I’m thinking of getting into “Drive”. The only other show I watch is “Heroes”. Oh, well, I guess I’ll catch up on my reading.

    Anyway, and Sean this one’s for you. In case you all haven’t heard, for all of you wanna-be Viper pilots out there… Some people got together and started developing a BSG space simulation… Battlestar Galactica: Beyond the Red Line (built off the FreeSpace 2 engine). Here’s the trailer for the game on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqz-WntRPYs&mode=related&search= (at least I hope that’s it).

    You can check out their site at http://www.game-warden.com/bsg for the demo download. They have a ways to go before the complete game is finished. I downloaded it and it is AWESOME. They even have the feature where you’re going in one direction and can turn your fighter 180 degrees while still going in the original direction (similar to Lee’s maneuver when he shot down the missile that was heading toward Colonial One during the miniseries). It’s a total standalone and the demo only takes up less than 450 MB.

  32. The 13th Cylon says:

    Well for us the name of the craft changes depending on who’s in it (Air Force One or Two), so I would imagine that it didn’t become Colonial One until she was sworn in. It’s kind of crazy since we learned in “Epiphanies” that he was going to release her from her job after she got back from the decomissioning ceremony.

  33. Joe says:

    ’33’ and ‘Water’ were the first episodes I saw of BSG, before I saw the mini-series. I thought they were both equally impressive. At the time I liked Water better than 33. It had more mystery an intrigue. My two bits is that Boomer had no idea she was a cylon the entire episode.

    Trak101, yes about Baltar’s winnings. He puts all his winnings inside his brown sport jacket and carries it out while wearing the black one.

  34. Mike P says:

    Apparently, RDM did not originally intend for “Water” to be the episode in which Boomer realized she was a Cylon. His initial plan was to have the *audience* know about the “Sharon model” the entire first season — watching Sharon on Caprica with Helo, and Boomer on the Galactica — but to keep Boomer in the dark, I guess up until she shoots Adama.

    While I quite like “Water” — and like it a fair bit more than RDM seems to, based on the “Galactica Roundtable” at the Sci Fi website — I do see why the original plan would have been a very compelling and perhaps more powerful way to go. My impression at the end of “Water” is that Boomer now knows, even if — again, as Tigh and Tory and presumably Tyrol and Anders do in “Crossroads II” — she is trying to suppress it or act in defiance of it from that point on.

  35. Raemani says:

    13th – in fact in the Mini Colonial One had a different number at least (something like Coloniel Heavy then some numbers). After Rosalin is swarn in they go to check in, start saying the numbers then corrects himself.

    Don’t remember if they ever mention a name

  36. The 13th Cylon says:

    Speaking of all this Sharon stuff and what we knew at the time vs. what the characters know, it’s always been interesting to me that up until Season 2, the characters clearly think that the other Boomers are copies of Sharon. There’s a conversation between Helo and Kara when they’re on Cylon occupied Caprica (kinda miss it) where Helo says that she looked and felt just like the “real” Sharon. It’s fun in the re-watch to see how much we really didn’t know at the time.

  37. dxf says:

    I started watching in Season 2, and I just watched the first three eps for the first time. They’re all kind of blurred together, so apologies in advance if I misattribute info to the wrong episode.

    My biggest point is this: In, I think, “Water”: Is it Six who says about the humans, “They’d probably blow themselves up anyway”? Major foreshadow there for what we find on earth?

    And seeing a scene with Starbuck and Baltar — nice!

    And I can’t wait to learn how Zarek gets from “Bastille Day” to Colonial One.

    Never listened to the official RDM podcasts, I’m listening to them now, since I’m experiencing total BSG withdrawal. (Feels like I’m cheating on GWC by listening to another podcast.) Been busy, and I’ve been scrambling to keep current on the re-watch episodes and the podcasts… With all the great comments from the callers, GWC’s incredible hosts, and the official podcasts — I’m 45 minutes into the three-hour roundtable — it feels like I’m taking a college course in BSG. The podcasts are like this lit course that points out all these amazing things that went over my head.

    Great work, everybody. Thanks for keeping the momentum going through this seemingly endless wait. GWC is a great support group.

    dxf

  38. Devo says:

    Who else would’ve suspected Boomer to be a Cylon in “Flesh and Bone” and wrote it on her mirror? I have been struggling to figure this out during my own re-watch of the episodes. The only person I can think of is the Chief. But he wouldn’t do that to her though. Would Boomer do it to herself as a message and a warning? What do you guys think? I think its the moment everything hits home for her. She starts to believe she might be a Cylon.

  39. Pike says:

    “Devo?” Huh. I always suspected my cat was using my ‘net connection when I wasn’t home. A bit suprised to find her posting to GWC, but I guess she’s seen enough BSG to become a fan.

    So, Devo, I’ve always read the “Cylon-Mirror” thing as Boomer’s “human” component trying to warn her concious mind. Contrast with Athena, where that part of her became dominant.

    It does make you wonder. How much of Athena came about as an attempt to fine-tune those nasty conflicts of Boomer’s? Did the Cylon/s/z overcompensate, perhaps? Or was Boomer potentially an Athena who was hindered by her lack of knowledge of who she really was?

    Now, stop clawing up the sofa!

  40. joeedh says:

    Hi. I’m new here.

    Anyway, I don’t think Sharon (Boomer) knows she’s a Cylon a this point. She suspects something is wrong, but doesn’t really know. Eventually she does start to suspect, and has Baltar test her–who promptly lies and tells her she’s human (I think Baltar is psychotic, what advantage does constantly helping the Cylons give him, anyway? Covering up Sharon, Gina, the nuke–what does he get out of it?).

    Joe

  41. gafra says:

    Re the cylon/mirror thing, I believe it was cylon sharon writing it as a means the have human sharon wake up, smell the coffee and start the full-on transition to cylon.

  42. Gray says:

    I have to mention that I just listened to yalls podcast for Water again and I have to agree with Audra about Baltar. From probably the 2nd or 3rd episode in I was really, really wary. I know he seems to be kind of charmingly smarmy and Eddie Haskell like initially, like he’s not out to hurt anyone purposefully but I still didn’t buy him as a bumbling, innocuous presence. I’ve talked to several other viewers and it’s interesting that almost right away it’s a 50/50 split between men finding him relatively harmless in the beginning and women thinking he’s a bit of a bastard.

    Also, I have to mention that I was also finding Starbuck a little out of character in the card scene with Baltar. Cleavage not withstanding, she was a little too quiet and a little too subdued. But, I suppose they had to lay a bit of groundwork for the stuff coming up between them. Also, it’s kind of weird but if you take the tone of their dealings into context right there, it kind of doesn’t completely fit with their way the writers would continue to portray it. Starbuck’s later encounters with him during the blood tests and Cylon detectoring have her sort of in control, with him off kilter. Whether this is her sort of bouncing back from her initial reaction or evidence of his rapidly declining mental health thanks to head Six, is anybody’s guess. Also, and this is sort of a superficial point, but in KLG when BalStar make their sweet,sweet love, I think it’s one of, if not the only instance, where we see Starbuck not on the top.

    And PS, If I had to do a cylon like Cavil? I’d need the entire bottle of Ambrosia and whatever Roslin and Adama were smokin on NC.

  43. Nick says:

    Just now listening to the “Water” rewatch podcast. As to the question of the what that device is they found on Galactica during the miniseries. It was the same device that was in six’s purse back on Caprica It is later identified as a transponder. A device that sends IFF information to other cylons. They use this device during the season finalie to allow Sharon to fly a raptor into the Cylon base star to drop off the nuke. The question I have always had is what the frack is a device doing on Galactica that identifies the battlestar as FRIENDLY to other cylons? I’ve always felt that Galactica was purposefully allowed to escape in order to fullfill a prophecy which is just as important to the cylons as it is to the humans.

  44. Stroogie says:

    Hey guys, new listener here. You’re almost as entertaining as the episodes themselves.

    I have a comment about the number of Cylons in the fleet. I really think Sharon/Boomer was lying to Gaius just to make him stop torturing Tyrol. And somehow, I think Gaius knew that she was, too. He just wanted to have the power in the situation. I honestly don’t think Boomer had any idea how many other sleepers were in the fleet.

    And even if what she said was true, remember that between then and now, we have the New Caprica storyline. I always assumed that whatever agents were left on the fleet by the time the occupation started, they just assimilated back into the Cylon population. After all, the colonials would have seen all Significant Seven models by now, so it’s kind of pointless to hide among them without a wig or something.

    So the whole “There are eight” thing is really a moot statement by now, whether it’s true or not.

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