There sure wasn’t much leaving going on in “Exodus, Pt. 1” tonight, was there? Highlights: Speculation on Ellen’s fate as betrayer, the purpose and significance of the “oracle,” the possible outcome of D’Anna’s “crisis of faith,” Gaeta’s existance as free thinker vs. collaborator, and a mentalimage of Scar waking up in the goo. How would they handcuff him?
Love listening to your discussions. I just wanted to respond to some of the comments made in the podcast.
*I thought Jammer was going to buy it the minute he took off his mask. I’m surprised that nobody saw him or recognized him but I guess there was so much going on at the moment (i.e., humans and Cylons trading bullets).
*I don’t feel sorry for Gaius at all. Even though I find the character kind of fascinating. Maybe it’s because he just keeps going lower and lower, farther and farther away from humanity. He is utterly alone, hates himself, yet has a unbelievably strong instinct for self-preservation.
*I don’t think the Cylons know love. They use love to control people (e.g., Six, Leoben). I think that’s what the Oracle was hinting at with D’eanna. She doesn’t know what love is but she will learn once she holds this child. Six thinks she knows love but I think her relationship with Gaius is a mixture of lust and mutual mind control. They are highly evolved, intelligent machines but still machines.
*I didn’t connect the chamalla use with seeing the future. Did that happen to Roslin when she took it? I thought the Oracle was just on break having a treat before D’eanna showed up. Didn’t she compare it to chocolate or some kind of candy?
*The pain that the Cylons are having as they download reminds me of the pain that Cordelia on Angel the Series had each time she got a vision. Maybe resources are being taken from the New Caprica project to build a new Resurrection ship.
The Oracle was portrayed by Amanda Plummer (Honey Bunny in Pulp Fiction)…now there’s a soundbite to use…
Great discussion in this ep. but I realized something while reviewing Exodus. Jammer may not be considered a traitor.
*If Cally recognized Jammer and told Tyrol of all that happened the people may think that he was a in the NCPF (New Caprica Police Force) in order to help the resistance, in which case he will be considered a sort of hero not a complete frakkin’ retard.
Just a thought.
>I didnâ€™t connect the chamalla use with seeing the future. Did that happen to >Roslin when she took it? I thought the Oracle was just on break having a >treat before Dâ€™eanna showed up. Didnâ€™t she compare it to chocolate or >some kind of candy?
Didi, I’m not sure if what Roslin saw was the future – it seems more like she had a vision of the past when she saw the ancient city on Kobol after taking the chamalla root. But the Oracle in the most recent episode, I believe, was licking chamalla from her hand. She asked D’Anna if she had candy, and before D’Anna left the Oracle said “the chamalla is so bitter…” I figured the candy would help cover up the taste of the chamalla root.
Enjoying the podcast.
There’s alot of discussion on Adama betraying Sharon by not telling her that Hera is alive. Are we sure Adama knows? I felt there were only three people alive that know about Hera’s true fate: Roslin, her new aide, and the doctor. Is there a scene where Adama is let in on what Roslin does?
I was thinking about the names used for Sharon and Helo’s baby. Hera/Isis. Both godess names, and that seems significant. By pairing that with the comments by one of the Cylons that “it happened before and it will happen again”. What if the original Lords of Kobol were something like a human/cylon hybrid? We already know that Hera is immune to cancer, and Casey is very resilient considering she fell down some stairs and cracked her head, but seems to be pretty unphased in the hospital. They may very well have other properties that would seem godlike.
This idea makes sense of some of the religious zeal shown by “Head-Six” when talking to Baltar about the baby. Perhaps God wants the cycle to continue with a new batch of gods and the Cylons are trying to move His program forward. This would also seem to mean that they will find Earth and have humanity re-united again for the cycle to truly begin again.
I got the impression that Ellen’s “herpes” were the result of Cavil chewing on her lips. (Now I must poke out my inner eye.)
It would be odd if Baltar didn’t know that Hera/Isis was alive. His discovery of the healing properties of the baby’s blood is the reason that she wasn’t killed. If a doctor told you that the moldy chinese food in your fridge cured cancer, and you decided not to throw it out because of that, wouldn’t you mention that to him?
I’ve been wondering about Kayce. I don’t think she’s what she’s presented as being. Note that her development is out of skew with Hera/Isis. So what is Kayce? My thought is that she may be another model of skin job. RDM has stated that the concept of twelve models is that there is (from the Cylons’ POV) only twelve types of humans. Children might be one of those types. And since they’re unable to reproduce (biologicly) they may have seen fit to create ‘children’ their way.
Keep up the good work.
Pike – I had the same thought about Starbuck’s kid. I had doubts about the idea because it seems like kind of a wasted slot for them. I don’t think the kid can even talk, so how can she contribute to Cylon society? When you only have 12 possible citizens I think it makes sense to make each as useful as possible.
That does make me wonder about the other models not seen so far. What are they up to? My personal opinion is that they were not convinced by the Cylon war hero’s arguments to try to live peacefully with the humans and are off pursuing the original plan (whatever that is). Seems like they might have had the right idea. Being forced to cut your own carotid artery with a spent shell casing like Brother Cavill doesn’t sound so great to me!
One more quick thought, what happened to the two Cavill models that were caught at the end of Lay Down Your Burdens Pt.2. Did they take a trip out the old airlock sometime in the past year?
Pike and Ken, I agree, Kayce isn’t what Leoben claims. I’m not sure if she’s cylon or human; but I doubt she’s a hybrid. Wouldn’t she be about the same age as Hera? She seems several months (if not more than a year) older…
Good points Ken and Rob. I’d think that they’d be saving models at this point (since it seems like they’re going to be able to get get to the syndication holy grail of five seasons.) But, who knows what Ron is willing to do?
Ken, Re: Captured Cavils; is it implied in that Massacre-Cavil had D/Led twice before? I don’t remember seeing a Cavil killed before. It must have happened in the missing year.
Regarding Casey, I don’t think she’s a hybrid because Six (or Sharon?) stated that the Cylon’s haven’t been able to figure out how to fertilize viable eggs; and therefore, Cylons have a theory that only if a human falls in love with a Cylon (love is the key), as is the case with Hero & Sharon, can conception take place. Remember: Sharon’s mission was to have Hero fall in love with her and impregnate her. So far, she’s the only Cylon that we know if that has produced a hybrid offspring.
I believe that Casey is therfore either a pure human, or she may be 1/12 Cylon models. Maybe Casey is fully functional on an adult Cylon level and is acting as a child, or she might be programmed to think/feel as a human child her age (a sleeper agent unaware of her true self that can be ‘activated to a fully adult level when required).
I wanted to comment on this because of the correct prediction about Pegasus being used to crash into a Base ship in the previous one or two podcasts.
With the displacement of the Pegasus crew, particularly the Commander of the Pegasus I see a possible strain now in the relationship between Tigh and Admiral Adama in the coming episodes.
Given the current relationship between Lee Adama and William Adama at the end of Exodus part 2, I donâ€™t really see the Admiral demoting Lee from the grade of Commander. Lee also has now held that rank for well over a year in BSG time, maybe even a year and a half. Even more reason not to demote him, this has him out ranking Tigh while serving on the Galactica. That would make Commander Lee Adama the new XO of Galactica.
Also, Tigh would not have been down on New Caprica had Admiral Adama not told him to basically get off at the end of the last season. He might slightly blame him for the loss of his wife and eye.
I know trailers are not considered spoilers; however my Cable â€œOn Demandâ€ gives me a three minute preview of next weekâ€™s episode that is different than the trailer, is that considered a spoiler? Let me know because there is something I want to comment on but I do not want to give anything away.
Excellent, Excellent stuff Cavatar. I put the same sort of question to a main post on the site this morning. I am wondering myself what will happen to everyone who is displaced and now back on Galactica. It should be interesting to be sure.
As far as the “on demand” thing I think that might start to fall into the range of spoiler but let me confer with the gang.